Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:37:47 +0000

Banned
29,000 miles on my atlantic pastel green 2007 GTS 250
Joined: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000
Posts: 4332
Location: Utah Valley
 
Banned
29,000 miles on my atlantic pastel green 2007 GTS 250
Joined: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000
Posts: 4332
Location: Utah Valley
Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:37:47 +0000 quote
Update: this is now a regional tag for just South Orange County: Irvine and south-east of it.

Tustin to Newport Beach, and everything north-west of it are on their own. Split it up as you see fit.


What a great idea to get out there with your scooter. The goal is to identify a location shown in a picture and to go there with your scooter to take a shot to prove it. To quote the rules:


* The boundaries are within Orange County, CA, and up to 25 miles into the neighboring counties.

* To start, someone posts a photo of their scooter with a landmark, sign, etc. Clues may be given along with the photo. I'll start below.

* Individually other participants ride to the same place and get a photo with THEIR scooter at the same/similar spot.

* The first person to "tag" the photo by posting their photo with their scooter gets to post the next photo for people to find.

* If no one is able to identify the tag, the poster can give progressively easier clues until someone finally says "AHA!" though please don't post the location of the tag until after someone else has tagged it. The hunt is part of the fun.

So, I'll start with the picture below:



Clue: You better adhere to the speed limit!
⚠️ Last edited by windbreaker on Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:31:36 +0000; edited 4 times
Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:49:14 +0000

Banned
29,000 miles on my atlantic pastel green 2007 GTS 250
Joined: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000
Posts: 4332
Location: Utah Valley
 
Banned
29,000 miles on my atlantic pastel green 2007 GTS 250
Joined: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000
Posts: 4332
Location: Utah Valley
Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:49:14 +0000 quote
Next clue:
What does the width of the bike lane tell you?
Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:54:23 +0000

Addicted
Joined: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:39 +0000
Posts: 985
Location: Orange County
 
Addicted
Joined: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:39 +0000
Posts: 985
Location: Orange County
Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:54:23 +0000 quote
Moped wrote:
Next clue:
What does the width of the bike lane tell you?
Yes but I am not gunna ride way out there (biker bar) to take a pic of me and my scooter.
Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:08:44 +0000

Banned
29,000 miles on my atlantic pastel green 2007 GTS 250
Joined: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000
Posts: 4332
Location: Utah Valley
 
Banned
29,000 miles on my atlantic pastel green 2007 GTS 250
Joined: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000
Posts: 4332
Location: Utah Valley
Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:08:44 +0000 quote
Sorry, but there is no biker bar anywhere near it. Actually, you'll be wearing a safety vest, a FF, and boots, when you approach this sign.
Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:14:21 +0000

Addicted
Joined: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:39 +0000
Posts: 985
Location: Orange County
 
Addicted
Joined: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:39 +0000
Posts: 985
Location: Orange County
Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:14:21 +0000 quote
Moped wrote:
Sorry, but there is no biker bar anywhere near it. Actually, you'll be wearing a safety vest, a FF, and boots, when you approach this sign.
Oh right! "Oceanside"?
Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:10:19 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:10:19 +0000 quote
Nyle wrote:
Moped wrote:
Sorry, but there is no biker bar anywhere near it. Actually, you'll be wearing a safety vest, a FF, and boots, when you approach this sign.
Oh right! "Oceanside"?
Semper Fi Baby!

I gotta wait till a closer one.
Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:34:56 +0000

Banned
29,000 miles on my atlantic pastel green 2007 GTS 250
Joined: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000
Posts: 4332
Location: Utah Valley
 
Banned
29,000 miles on my atlantic pastel green 2007 GTS 250
Joined: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000
Posts: 4332
Location: Utah Valley
Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:34:56 +0000 quote
Yeah, you're both onto something.
Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:54:54 +0000

Ossessionato
Joined: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:54:56 +0000
Posts: 2019
Location: Valencia, Spain
 
Ossessionato
Joined: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:54:56 +0000
Posts: 2019
Location: Valencia, Spain
Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:54:54 +0000 quote
I know this place too!
Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:17:33 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:17:33 +0000 quote
I would like to do that ride sometime though

Is someone going to get this? Im anxiously awaiting the next spot
Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:06:49 +0000

Banned
29,000 miles on my atlantic pastel green 2007 GTS 250
Joined: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000
Posts: 4332
Location: Utah Valley
 
Banned
29,000 miles on my atlantic pastel green 2007 GTS 250
Joined: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000
Posts: 4332
Location: Utah Valley
Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:06:49 +0000 quote
Okay, same question from me: is anybody attempting to get there? If not, I'll do something easier by tonight.

Another clue, for riders who haven't identified it yet and may live closer:
it is a surprisingly peaceful place--most of the time. And I wonder why they even bothered putting up that sign. There aren't many cars out, ever.
Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:45:49 +0000

Ossessionato
Joined: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:58:31 +0000
Posts: 2311
Location: So Cal
 
Ossessionato
Joined: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:58:31 +0000
Posts: 2311
Location: So Cal
Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:45:49 +0000 quote
Don't bail on it yet
I can get there - but not 'till Sunday.
Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:03:52 +0000

Banned
29,000 miles on my atlantic pastel green 2007 GTS 250
Joined: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000
Posts: 4332
Location: Utah Valley
 
Banned
29,000 miles on my atlantic pastel green 2007 GTS 250
Joined: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000
Posts: 4332
Location: Utah Valley
Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:03:52 +0000 quote
That's cool. Sunday is just the day after tomorrow. We can wait. This is not an easy place to find. Good luck!
Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:06:01 +0000

Hooked
05' ET4 190, 74' super 190, 85' T5 190, 3 x Smallies, 05' race zuma
Joined: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:56:41 +0000
Posts: 362
Location: midnight motors costa mesa, ca
 
Hooked
05' ET4 190, 74' super 190, 85' T5 190, 3 x Smallies, 05' race zuma
Joined: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:56:41 +0000
Posts: 362
Location: midnight motors costa mesa, ca
Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:06:01 +0000 quote
i want in on this...

if someone doesnt beat me to this, i got this one spot on...
Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:46:53 +0000

Addicted
Joined: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:39 +0000
Posts: 985
Location: Orange County
 
Addicted
Joined: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:39 +0000
Posts: 985
Location: Orange County
Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:46:53 +0000 quote
face mechanic wrote:
i want in on this...

if someone doesnt beat me to this, i got this one spot on...
then post it!
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:43:15 +0000

Ossessionato
Joined: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:58:31 +0000
Posts: 2311
Location: So Cal
 
Ossessionato
Joined: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:58:31 +0000
Posts: 2311
Location: So Cal
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:43:15 +0000 quote
Sorry, Face. Beatcha to it.


How about a more scenic ride to the next locale?
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:36:25 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:36:25 +0000 quote
This looks so familiar but I just cant figure it! Yet!
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:41:42 +0000

Addicted
Joined: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:39 +0000
Posts: 985
Location: Orange County
 
Addicted
Joined: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:39 +0000
Posts: 985
Location: Orange County
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:41:42 +0000 quote
ks7877 wrote:
How about a more scenic ride to the next locale?
I go this one in the bag tonight! 8)
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:03:10 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:03:10 +0000 quote
OOOOH I GOT IT!! Knowing where Nyle is from, Im pretty sure he will get there before me though. I used to jump my ski there all the time
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:11:36 +0000

Addicted
Joined: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:39 +0000
Posts: 985
Location: Orange County
 
Addicted
Joined: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:39 +0000
Posts: 985
Location: Orange County
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:11:36 +0000 quote

Here ya go
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:04:09 +0000

Hooked
05' ET4 190, 74' super 190, 85' T5 190, 3 x Smallies, 05' race zuma
Joined: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:56:41 +0000
Posts: 362
Location: midnight motors costa mesa, ca
 
Hooked
05' ET4 190, 74' super 190, 85' T5 190, 3 x Smallies, 05' race zuma
Joined: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:56:41 +0000
Posts: 362
Location: midnight motors costa mesa, ca
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:04:09 +0000 quote
oh nyle i see you took the SS out of your living room...

nice try...

but i got this one in the bag tomorrow...
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:35:59 +0000

Veni, Vidi, Posti
SawStop
Joined: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:28:00 +0000
Posts: 5391
Location: Puyallup, WA
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
SawStop
Joined: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:28:00 +0000
Posts: 5391
Location: Puyallup, WA
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:35:59 +0000 quote
Hi Nyle,

You now have the honor of picking the next location for someone to find.
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:13:37 +0000

Addicted
Joined: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:39 +0000
Posts: 985
Location: Orange County
 
Addicted
Joined: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:00:39 +0000
Posts: 985
Location: Orange County
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:13:37 +0000 quote
here is my pic. best of luck. 8)
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:10:43 +0000

Ossessionato
Joined: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:58:31 +0000
Posts: 2311
Location: So Cal
 
Ossessionato
Joined: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:58:31 +0000
Posts: 2311
Location: So Cal
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:10:43 +0000 quote
Len Smith wrote:
Hi Nyle,

You now have the honor of picking the next location for someone to find.
Really? A Barbie scooter counts?
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:25:15 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:25:15 +0000 quote
WooHoo!
⚠️ Last edited by Petrol on Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:46:09 +0000; edited 1 time
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:08:03 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:08:03 +0000 quote
Your next goal:

Its been there since 1929, thats your clue.
⚠️ Last edited by Petrol on Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:46:33 +0000; edited 2 times
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:55:11 +0000

Molto Verboso
2006 Fly 150
Joined: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 00:36:21 +0000
Posts: 1459
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
 
Molto Verboso
2006 Fly 150
Joined: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 00:36:21 +0000
Posts: 1459
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:55:11 +0000 quote
I think the street sign was not the big clue...
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:57:52 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:57:52 +0000 quote
The street sign would have blown it completely. Not only did it name the intersection, it had another sign saying " ______ This Way"
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:20:55 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:20:55 +0000 quote
There, I got rid of the name also Andrew. Is that what you meant? The name was too telling?
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:30:36 +0000

Molto Verboso
2006 Fly 150
Joined: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 00:36:21 +0000
Posts: 1459
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
 
Molto Verboso
2006 Fly 150
Joined: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 00:36:21 +0000
Posts: 1459
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:30:36 +0000 quote
I wasn't trying to hi-jack or anything, I just noticed your street sign comment about blocking it out but with the name of the market I found the location of the store in 5 seconds and I'm not even from the area... found it ironic I guess...

No big deal either way, just a comment, its your photo tag, and its still fun whether its easy or hard.
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 04:05:12 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 04:05:12 +0000 quote
No you were right, I just didnt get it at first and then thought DUH< net search for the market name lol, thanks.


On topic,
anyone?

I got a different one that was a toss up with this one but maybe its a funner shot.

By the way, Im farkin hooked on this game, I think about it all the time, where to go etc. Lol
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:19:53 +0000

Hooked
05' ET4 190, 74' super 190, 85' T5 190, 3 x Smallies, 05' race zuma
Joined: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:56:41 +0000
Posts: 362
Location: midnight motors costa mesa, ca
 
Hooked
05' ET4 190, 74' super 190, 85' T5 190, 3 x Smallies, 05' race zuma
Joined: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:56:41 +0000
Posts: 362
Location: midnight motors costa mesa, ca
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:19:53 +0000 quote
damnit! why am i always like a day late and shit...





ok i guess i'll just move on to the next one... its only a short jaunt from my shop...
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:12:15 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:12:15 +0000 quote
And a really nice ride if you take the right route Face.

I admit, its not far from the Tower Records pic, but I was lazy and it was convenient
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:45:39 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:45:39 +0000 quote
Rules question:

Say you get the last picture and now it's your turn to post the next location. Does your next location picture have to have been taken After the previous picture or can it be an older picture of some time you happend to have taken a picture of your scooter in some location?

i.e. I have a picture of my scooter taken in front of the Monterey Aquarium from last year and post that after winning the last location.

Personally, I think it should be a new picture taken after the last picture but whatever the majority thinks is cool
Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:41:04 +0000

Hooked
05' ET4 190, 74' super 190, 85' T5 190, 3 x Smallies, 05' race zuma
Joined: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:56:41 +0000
Posts: 362
Location: midnight motors costa mesa, ca
 
Hooked
05' ET4 190, 74' super 190, 85' T5 190, 3 x Smallies, 05' race zuma
Joined: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:56:41 +0000
Posts: 362
Location: midnight motors costa mesa, ca
Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:41:04 +0000 quote
i think it should be a fresh photo...

and obviously within orange county... i don't think any one is going to ride to the monterey aquarium...

im gonna try and get this new one tomorrow...
Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:41:18 +0000

Ossessionato
One of each
Joined: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:16:35 +0000
Posts: 3421
Location: Ranura de Monedas, NorCal
 
Ossessionato
One of each
Joined: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:16:35 +0000
Posts: 3421
Location: Ranura de Monedas, NorCal
Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:41:18 +0000 quote
Petrol wrote:
Rules question:

Say you get the last picture and now it's your turn to post the next location. Does your next location picture have to have been taken After the previous picture or can it be an older picture of some time you happend to have taken a picture of your scooter in some location?

i.e. I have a picture of my scooter taken in front of the Monterey Aquarium from last year and post that after winning the last location.

Personally, I think it should be a new picture taken after the last picture but whatever the majority thinks is cool
Should be a new photo if at all possible.

If you want to bring the game to a halt, post the Monterey Aquarium, although someone here will post a reply, their next image may be unattainable.

I've started a rules thread for discussion so we can get something more firm.
Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:51:25 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:51:25 +0000 quote
Im sorry, I didnt mean to say posting Monterey would ok, just that I had a old shot of my scoot in Monterey as an example. I do realize its OC tag.

Ok so anyway you guys seem to agree the pic should be new not out of the archives.
Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:15:44 +0000

Ossessionato
Joined: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:58:31 +0000
Posts: 2311
Location: So Cal
 
Ossessionato
Joined: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:58:31 +0000
Posts: 2311
Location: So Cal
Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:15:44 +0000 quote
Hey Petrol, good job figuring out the Tower Records location. I would have never got that one. I know where your market is - in my old neighborhood. I've been waiting for FaceMechanic to get it. He seemed so disappointed to post his photo of Dana Point Harbor after Nyle. I'll wait another day or two.
As far as the rules / guidelines for the game, RitchJ started another thread. Maybe you could take a look and give some feedback there.
(By the way, I knew what you meant about old vs. current photo.)
Glad to see other enthusiastic scooter tag players out there. Let's keep it going!
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:57:49 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:57:49 +0000 quote
yawn

Whatup? I want to get the next one in OC tomorrow and then hit a San Diego one on Sunday!
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:56:02 +0000

Hooked
05' ET4 190, 74' super 190, 85' T5 190, 3 x Smallies, 05' race zuma
Joined: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:56:41 +0000
Posts: 362
Location: midnight motors costa mesa, ca
 
Hooked
05' ET4 190, 74' super 190, 85' T5 190, 3 x Smallies, 05' race zuma
Joined: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:56:41 +0000
Posts: 362
Location: midnight motors costa mesa, ca
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:56:02 +0000 quote
i got this one today... so please be patient... i will post the photos tomorrow.... i left my camera at my shop on accident, so i cant upload them untill tomorrow...
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:46:29 +0000

Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
 
Addicted
Super Fast!
Joined: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:28:18 +0000
Posts: 692
Location: West of the Middle East
Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:46:29 +0000 quote
Okay, Ill just try for an OC and a SD both on Sunday!
  DoubleGood Design  

Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, ET4, ET2, MP3, Fuoco, Elettrica and more.


Shop on Amazon with Modern Vespa

Modern Vespa is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com

All Content Copyright 2005-2023 by Modern Vespa. All Rights Reserved.

[ Time: 0.0415s ][ Queries: 4 (0.0186s) ][ Debug on ][ 297 ][ Thing Two ]